Thoughts on the Montero deal and much, much more

Believe it or not, this is my first post of 2012. But I have a good reason, honest. First, I was traveling overseas with my family. Don’t believe me? Here’s a picture as proof (Yes, that’s the Dome of the Rock behind my Dome):

The B3 brood in the Old City of Jerusalem (Mrs. B3 is the official family photographer)

Then it was on to the Rookie Career Development Program outside of Washington, D.C. Don’t believe me? Well, proof is in this link, our overview of the Program (with player interviews galore beneath that).

These days, I’m knee deep in prospect ranking work. Don’t believe me? (Perhaps I’m overusing the theme). Proof is the first list that was released today: The Top 10 RHP Prospects, the story as well as in Prospect Watch (with video of each player). Oh, and if you didn’t notice, there’s a brand new central location for all things prospect called Prospect Central. Check it out early and often.

In the midst of all of this, there was the news of the big Yankees-Mariners trade. It’s not official just yet, so no movement on the ol’ 2011 Postseason lists, but it’s coming. And we’re making sure all the 2012 lists are up to date (Top 100 overall coming out on Jan. 25), Top 20 per team coming in February (that’s right, folks, twice as many names!!!! So you understand why the B3 Blog had taken a back seat).

So, the trade… my first gut reaction was that the Mariners gave up too much. But then I talked to a bunch of people who’s opinions I trust in the scouting industry and I’ve come around to this perhaps being a win-win. The Yankees needed starting pitching help and they can, if they so desire, have Michael Pineda for a long time. Jose Campos is a legit prospect as well and even if he’s young and hasn’t pitched in full-season ball, I had one scout tell me he thought he’d be ready by 2014.

The key, though, is Montero (Hector Noesi will contribute, tho). The M’s have wanted him for a while, remember? So now they got their man, the middle of the order (young) bat to put with Dustin Ackley and Justin Smoak. But, the $64,000 question is, can he catch?

My thinking is the Yankees didn’t think so, or else they didn’t want to, in the pressure cooker of New York, find out. There was no room for Montero on that roster unless he was going to be a DH at age 22. To me, the writing was on the wall when late last year they needed a catcher, Montero was up, but they brought up Austin Romine instead. Having made the determination that Montero wasn’t going to catch for them anytime soon, they were more willing to part with his bat. This, by the way, is just a theory.

I thought  that most in the scouting world agreed that Montero would never have the stuff to catch every day in the big leagues. But it turns out I was wrong. I know, shocking. But in an informal survey I did of some high-level scouts, most actually thought he’d eventually be OK behind the plate. No one was ready to etch his name on Gold Gloves, but those I talked to made comparisons to Javy Lopez (he came up several times), Jorge Posada and, of course, Mike Piazza (Yes, many think Montero’s bat could be THAT good). Here’s some of what they had to say:

“There are a bunch of ex-catchers that made their mark with their bats and figured out the catching position the more they played. Remember, this kid is 22 years old and he can really throw. That’s a good start for his continued development.”

“Yes [he'll be able to catch]! The team will need patience. He’s better than Mike Napoli was at the same stage!”

“Not now (will he be able to catch full-time), but Javier Lopez did! All catchers that stay there get better if they try!”

“If he hits enough — remember Javy Lopez?”

Told you about the Lopez comps. And scouts really like to use exclamation points in text messages. But that’s neither here nor there.

So, Mariners fans, don’t expect defensive miracles right off the bat. But stick with your soon-to-be new catcher. Sounds like most think he’ll be acceptable back there and the bat will more than make up for any deficiencies with the glove.

10 Comments

Pineda hits arbitration one year earlier than Montero does.

Montero had 61 at bats in NY last year, all in September. I’m not sure what the rule is on September call ups and service time. The thing is, if the Mariners choose to place Montero in AAA for the first half of the season while they try to move Olivo and see what they have in Adam Moore, then Montero’s service clock may actually not start for another year which would put his arbitration eligibility back another year. Heck, the kid is only 22. There is no need to rush him and a ton of reasons to let him work on his catching in Tacoma full time.

Bored? Send his butt back to rookie ball. The kid gets to play baseball for a living for crying out loud.

Montero has played 2 seasons in AAA, with mixed reports saying he was “bored” I dont think bringing him up would be rushing him, considering our lousy lineup.

He has more than enough at bats to test his skills especially after his impressive September.

Oh wow.

The Montero deal was no doubt the best deal the Yankees made in a while. Pineda has front-line starter ability in his future, and offense is something that they can buy more easily with their huge spending money.

Nice picture in Jerusalem by the way, I’m also in Israel right now.
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I’m a Mariners fan and I LOVE this deal. We have more young pitching talent than you can shake a stick at, but you can’t win without scoring. This gives fans something to get excited about…

I didn’t like the deal at first. Pineda is special. Nowadays, a GM would be crazy to trade this kind of talent away. Zduriencik made a bittersweet, but necessary move.

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